rant: this conversation is over

Last night I went Jackrabbit nightclub in Scottsdale to meet up with Brian Hill of Femme Athletic.  While there and gettin’ my dance on in a very understated way, a guy…hmmm forgot his name…started to talk to me.  We talked about where each of us was from and what had brought us to Phoenix.  He was from San Francisco.  I came here for school and graduated two years ago with two master’s degrees.  You know, the normal introductory chit chat.

This guy tells me he is/was in town from San Francisco and had come out to interview with Google.  Apparently he thought that this deserved some display of riveted interest, or maybe some sign that I was impressed that…oh, I don’t know…Google would choose to interview him.  OK, so yeah, it’s Google and that’s cool.  But it’s also just Google.  As innovative and savvy as the company has been becoming so much a part of our daily lives that it has also effectively turned it’s brand name into a verb, it’s not the latest, greatest, most interesting new thing out there on the www.

At any rate, my lack of utter fascination must have disappointed this guy, but not to be thwarted he guessed that maybe it wasn’t that I wasn’t impressed, but that I was…perhaps…ignorant?

“Do you know who Google is?”

Oh yes, he actually asked me that.  I was stunned.

“Do you think that I wouldn’t know who Google is?”

“I don’t know, you might not.”

At this point I’m flabbergasted.  Perhaps slightly insulted, but mostly flabbergasted.  Bare in mind I had just got through telling him that I had two master’s degrees.

“We are done with this conversation.”

He didn’t like hearing that.  Or maybe he didn’t believe me.  He persisted to try to talk to me, and even to defend his thought that it was possible I hadn’t heard of Google.  I persisted to tell him our conversation was over.

“How do you know I’m not the coolest guy in here?”

Wow!  Do you really need me to answer that question?

“Have a great night, but please don’t talk to me.  This conversation is over.”


  1. #1 by tyler on June 17, 2008 - 11:54 am

    You really should bring along a video recorder for conversations like this. Hilarious.

  2. #2 by Girls are petty, boastful, and cheap on August 29, 2008 - 6:16 pm

    Perhaps with 2 Master’s Degrees she would have learned that the phrase is “Bear in mind”, not “bare in mind”. Another arrogant female who wants to be respected and equal in all ways except dating, leaving all the proactivity to men. How many men has she asked out and also paid for the date?? If none, this is exactly why women will always be 2nd class citizens. They want equality but don’t want to work at meeting men. Don’t want to pay for dates. And then they want to make fun at men who are nervous already trying to strike up a conversation in a loud nightclub. His comments were dumb and misplaced. Hers were mean. Go ahead and strike up conversations with men in bars and clubs for one week and see how much fun it is.

  3. #3 by Ms. Herr on September 4, 2008 - 3:07 pm

    The comment above is from Douglas from Windy City DJs based here in Phoenix. I was initially taken aback by his statements, but the value I place in expression, social media, and conversations are of greater significance than my reactions to his own rant. I contacted him, indicating I would “gladly approve it if [he] provide an author name.” Girls are petty, boastful, and cheap doesn’t quite cut it.

    In his reply, Douglas provided this additional thoughts (unedited):

    The title was a base emotional response to general male bashing, things like “boys are stupid, throw rocks at them”.

    Women have no idea that men get rejected the majority of the time they approach a woman. You’ve probably done it at even the most innocent gesture and may not have even realized it. Granted, nightclubs may be a lousy place to strike up a conversation, and yes, guys say dumb things. But we are confused. Women act independent, even live independent, but then they also talk about marrying a guy who’s successful, who can provide security, and they go around shwoing off what size their ring is. Ugh, that whole brainwashed diamond thing is really sad.

    Me and the guys I pay cards with twice a month just cannot figure out why a woman won’t do the initial approach thing, it doesn’t have to be asking for a date, just ANY opening line or any approach. WHY has it always have to be us who gamble?? Why do we have to put our egos on the line?? Why do we have to initiate 95% of the time?

    Not only that, women are much meaner these days, much quicker to dismiss a simple “hello”. Anytime a woman has asked me to do something, something as simple as “Would you like to dance?” I have always understood how much of an effort it took to ask me, how difficult it was to walk over to me and ask me to dance. And I’ve NEVER said no, I don’t care what she has looked like, I never wanted to discourage a woman from being proactive, I refuse to be a bad memory and get added in the baggage.

    So I’ve tried to encourage women to step up and join in the courtship follies, I just wish I could figure out what they are so afraid of.

    I guess the same things we men are probably. Well, welcome to equality. True equality means sharing. The good and the bad.

  4. #4 by Ms. Herr on September 4, 2008 - 3:16 pm

    One more thought. A question actually…

    Is it unforgivable for a person with two master’s degrees to make a typo?

  5. #5 by tyson crosbie on September 4, 2008 - 3:35 pm

    I appreciate the comment and following dialogue by Douglas and am in agreement. He makes several valid and accurate observations.

  6. #6 by tankilo on September 4, 2008 - 4:36 pm

    MsHerr, cut the guy a little slack, I’m sure he didn’t mean for “do you know what Google is” to be an insult. Surely even in this day and age you’ve run into someone else your age who has no interest in “the internets” and will probably not know Google, or at least not appreciate it the way we do.
    All that being said, reading your post and the comments, I am so glad I’m married. Honey if you read this I love you all the more 🙂

  7. #7 by jes on September 14, 2008 - 3:24 am

    Dear sis, when you’re trying to prove your high & mighty righteousness, yes it is unforgivable to have such a typo. But feel confident that he also made a typo. 😉

    That aside, I have put my ego on the line in the “courtship follies”. I too have been rejected the majority of the time and I have never gotten encouragement/kudos for being proactive. Maybe if you welcomed some of that equality to every other card game you’d find out why ya’ll “never” had a woman do the initial approach thing and find out that it probably happens more than the 5% you think.

  8. #8 by erin on October 12, 2008 - 2:21 pm

    okay, it’s taken me a while to get back to this post, and i have to say, this is hilarious. while i’m sure it is very nerve racking for guys to go up and talk to girls they don’t know, in a loud night club here are a few things that make me not feel sorry for you:

    1. this happened in a scottsdale night club, one of the most dreaded places on earth. if you think girls are hard to talk to in general, multiply that by 10 if you’re in scottsdale, and multiply it by 100 if you’re in a bar/nightclub in scottsdale. because the girls here suck and are much meaner than most places. don’t argue that, it’s a fact. it’s real science.

    2. you are trying to talk to, (read pick up a girl) in a night club. lame, lame, lame, lame, lame, lame, lame. is that really why you went there in the first place? if so, then you get what you get. and that is a night of bad/drunken conversation, leading nowhere but a case of the clap and $100 less in your bank account from the G & T’s you bought her.

    3. try the other approach if you want respect. in other words, expect the girl to be smarter than you and see what happens. if she’s worth talking to, either she is actually smarter than you, or she’ll admit if she doesn’t know what you’re talking about.

    stop crying. you made your bed, if your way to meet chicks is in a bar/nightclub. fo reals.

  9. #9 by Jennifer Maggiore on November 17, 2008 - 9:09 am

    I just stumbled across this in your boys are stupid category.

    Ok, so you know what’s funny? Even if this dork got the job, Google is closing its officer here anyway. So HA! Karma?

  10. #10 by Jed Johnson on July 21, 2009 - 8:43 pm

    Just out of curiousity, does anyone actually know anybody who has actually had a long term / lasting (lets say 8 yrs & still together) relationship with someone that frequents Scottsdale night clubs. Also… have they been monogamous. (sorry if I misspelled anything. The keys pn my phone are small. 🙂

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